What's going on?

Dec 08. – March 09
Come and share your vision on the future of the social and economic future of the EU!
Between the 3rd of December 2008 and the 20th of March 2009, you have the chance to take part in a Europe-wide debate on the question: “What can the EU do to shape our economic and social future in a globalised world?” This online debate will generate 10 proposals which will contribute to the discussions held by 100 randomly selected citizens taking part in the European Citizens’ Consultation on the 21st and 22nd of March 2009. This is not just happening here – it will be taking place simultaneously in 26 more EU Member States!
How to take part
In the "Debate and make proposals" section of this website you and other citizens from the UK can discuss any social or economic issue. You can either join an ongoing debate or start a discussion of your own on a new aspect of social and economic issues. You can formulate the ideas that arise from the debate into concrete proposals – you just need to write them down and submit it!
In the "Vote on proposals" section of the site you can vote on as many proposals as you want. You can also suggest that similar ideas be merged into one. The ten proposals which receive the most number of votes during the online debate will then be presented at the national conference in March 09. Here is your chance to influence that debate!
March
Citizens meet and discuss at national conferences
100 randomly selected British citizens gather and debate in London on the question “What can the EU do to shape our economic and social future in a globalised world?” on the 21st and 22nd of March. The top ten proposals from the online debate that started on the 3rd of December 2008 will be used by the citizens as a basis for their deliberations. Find the top ten proposals from the online debate here.
The European Citizens’ Consultations take place simultaneously in 9 countries at any one time, spread across three weekends. A total of 1,500 randomly selected citizens take part in these 27 national debates. At the end of the weekend, each group of citizens is invited to present their ten recommendations to national policy makers. You can follow what happens at the national conference and find out what recommendations are made right here!
April
Debate the recommendations!
A synthesis of the 270 recommendations from the 27 European Citizens’ Consultations is now available online at the national websites. You can comment on these proposals before they are voted on by the 1,500 citizens who took part in the national conferences.
May
15 European recommendations for our economic and social future in a globalised world
The citizens’ European recommendations future of the EU have been selected – see them here. These 15 recommendations are finalised at the European Citizens' Summit in Brussels on 10 and 11 May 2009 and are presented to European political leaders. Ten percent of the citizens who attended the 27 national conferences take part in this event.
June – December
Citizens’ recommendations debated all over Europe
After 6 months of intensive and productive discussions all over Europe, and having presented the 15 recommendations to the European political leaders, the citizens are now invited to take the reins of the project back and comment and react on these proposals on the pan-European blog which will be launched on the 15th of May. How to translate the recommendations into concrete policies? What measures should be taken to achieve the results we want for Europe?
The inputs collected on the blog will be used to feed a series of 5 regional debates organised across Europe and directly targeting the newly elected EU Commission and Parliament members as well as the EU Presidency, which have all already shown great interest in cooperating with the ECC. The European Economic and Social Committee, the Committee of the Regions and European political foundations will also be involved in these activities.
The regional debates will take place between September and December 2009:
1st debate: Copenhagen -September 28th involving Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.
2nd debate: Bratislava- October 27th involving Slovakia, Hungary, Greece, Romania and Bulgaria.
3rd debate: Florence- end of October involving Italy, France, Spain, Portugal, Cyprus and Malta.
4th debate: Berlin- November 16th involving Germany, Austria, Poland, Slovenia and the Czech Republic.
Dublin- November 20th involving Ireland, the UK, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands.
The debates will gather representatives of the civil society, trade unions, industries, citizens and policy-makers from the countries of the regional group. In all of them, an introduction to the outcome of the first phase will be given but most of the time will be taken to discuss sub-regional synergies and common problems or interests raised during the consultations and on the European blog. A total of 150 participants will be invited to take part in each of the five debates.
To continue taking part in the debate with other European citizens, visit the European portal at www.european-citizens-consultations.eu !
- Please sign in or register to take part in the debate.
stygian
Before any substantive progress can be made, citizens must have confidence that the EU is the right organisation in which to place trust for the future. Currently, this trust can not placed, not least because of the massive EU-wide multi-million pound fraud and corruption and the failure to achieve an unqualified independent audit that is able to sign off the EU's books.
The UK is one of the worst offenders in this regard. Unless and until the UK Eurofrauds and corruption are fully exposed, and dealt with appropriately, can there ever be any hope of trusting the EU to shape our economic and social future in a globalised world.
At the centre of a debate such as this, if citizens are to participate, there must be evidence that it is the citizens who are involved with a meaningful consultation that facilitates citizens to make the decisions that affect their lives. What has been seen so far, especially in the UK, is the creation and maintenance of an illusion of consultation, followed by false claims of concensus from government-sponsored groups that falsely claim to represent a section of society.
If our EU leaders can't place their trust in us, why should we place our trust in them? If our EU leaders can't place their trust in us, why should we place our trust in them? To date, whenever we place our trust in the EU leaders, they betray our trust.
A clean sweep of the UK-sponsored EU corruption would be start, and this is this citizen's proposal.
I left a comment earlier and wonder why it is not there now. Who does the editing/censor job?
The best move for the 27 nations being subsumed by the corruption riddled democratically deficient eu would be to leave the eu, and set their own laws and regulations. Why should we trust the unelected commission who ignored the rejection of the constitution by the french and dutch, and then seem to want to ignore the Irish as well, whilst no one else has had any democratic input these self serving liars claim that 25 countries are in favour.
If the EU is a democratic union of sovereign nations then it needs to change the terminology from Union, to Alliance, and seek that all sovereign states install the fundamentals of democracy within their respective countries first by a ) Forming a constitution and b ) Offering a referendum.
Once those issues are dealt with, then the EU can be said to be working in the interests of all members and their people, and for democracy. Regardless of how it positions itself in future it must confirm the legitimacy of sovereignty of all nations by framing that within a legally binding agreement.
Without the expressed will of the people and preservation of the democratic principles on which it purports to stand, then it will fail.
The complexity and lack of transparency in both the make up and running of European Union and all its instituons prevent his excercise from being successfully meaningful, especially when some contributors clearly fundamentally question its existence as a result of obscurity and resultnt lack of understanding.
For all the obvious complaints others have made about corruption, pooled EU funding has undoubtably help the poorer regions of Europe develop. As a mechsnism for redistributing wealth it has been relatively successful see former Objective 1 areas in South West, South Yorkshire, Highlands and Islands and Wales. Unfortunately for real transformational change the programmes have not been long enough and local politicianns have made many unsustainable funding decisions (white elephnts) and processes have been far to bureaucratic such that the people and communities most in need have not had much say as they should have over the resources pumped into their communities.
EU election turn-outs in the UK demonstrate the extent to which successive UK Governments and MEPS, irrespective of the political party, have failed to inform and engage the British public in any serious discussion about what the EU should be for.
Being a very reluctant partner has allowed successive UK Government's to use the EU at various times to score party political rather than tru national interets points. Until the directly elected European Parliamnet becomes, through universal sufferage, both the instigator, decision-maker and regulator of any necessary EU wide policy, and is librated from the Council of Ministers who use it to play out national politics and Commission who have no directly legitimate authority, then the UK will always see the EU in very negative terms.
This said the clear failure of unregualted fiancial markets in the US and UK irnically demonstrate the benefits of a regulated EU market, the eurzone coming into its own following the unfettered greed within the under regulated USA and UK financial systems.
The socio-economic models in most EU countries, which are more balanced than pure free market monetarist policies followed in the UK by the Thatcher, Major , Blair and now Brown Government's again refect how out of step the UK is with the rest of Europe.
Corruption and the clear differences in the vigour in applying and abiding by EU regualtion between north and south Europe aside, the EU nees to develop more sustaibale approaches to any policy developments, placing both social and environmental concerns on an equal footing with the hitherto dominant economic agenda.
The rise of China, India and the Middle East requires in real politik, that the EU contiue but ina much more directly democrtically accountable way so that EU countries can play their full role in a global economy an society.
Unfortunately this process has been so controlled and made as elitist and exclusive as the EU institutions, tht it is therefore doomed to fail i.e. make no difference whatsoever, which greatly disheartens a committed UK based European.
Economic future : we should use only energy that we can produce without any riscs. I reffer to wind energy and solar energy. Why should we do this ? Because only by doing these we would be trully independent and we could do what ever we want. I know that this is not much but it's a start and a good one.
Social future : everybody should get along with everybody. I visited a lot of EU countries and everybody is friendly and nice so i think socially speaking we are on the right track
I have professional activities in different eastern EU countries and Turkey. The EU is assembling nations with totally different cultural values. These eastern-oriental states are deeply corrupt, with clanic structures, have NO traditions of a civil society. E.g. in the Ucraine a student has to bribe a professor if he wants to be admitted for an exam. Plus: we are getting infected by their viruses of corruption and oligarchic behaviour.
(E.g. the FORTIS case where the belgian gouvernment tried to influence judges for the profits of BNP Parisbas.)
A merging of these tutti frutti nations has been forced by the informal oligarchy of the EU, big business and their political friends. These people benefit whereas the majority is massively impoverished (somebody has to finance our crazy moguls of enlargement).
Now we can ask: where is the success of this inconsiderate enlargment?
For the majority there is none! But we are facing a situation comparable to medieval Byzance: paying other nations off till no resources are left and our civil world destroyed.
The solution:
Refoundation of a smaller but tighter Union state based on comparable values WITHOUT the eastern states and maybe even Mafia-Italy, as long as they have not reached a minimum level of civic society. (I think that is never)
Stop the impoverishment of our communities to their benefit !
The new EU comprises France, Benelux, scandinavian countries, Germany, maybe Britain. The refoundation must be based on a referendum, democracy implemented.
Economical turnover must shrink to the social and environmental benefits.
Profits and bonuses must be reduced to a reasonable level. Economical treachery (the financial crisis, waste of EU money in the new EU states...) must be severly punshed.
On this we can still be friends with Romanians, Ucrainans, Turks and visit them as tourists....
Debate on Europe's future? That's a laugh - just like EU referendums in which voters are told to doit again if the result doesn't suit Barroso and his commissars on the European Commission. Barroso allows as much debate as Hitler did - so perhaps we should rename the European Union the Hitler Union, after all, where Hitler failed the EU succeeds in dominating us with its daft laws and stealing money from our pockets.
Let's free ourselves from the opporession of Barroso - an unelected second-rate politician who has never done a single useful tibng in his life.
I don't think anyone could be accused of taking this exercise seriously as a European-wide consultation exercise. Who are the 'national policy makers' anyway?
It reduces the whole of the democratic process to asking a few people (those how happen to hear of the website) what their views are, then passing them on to mysterious anonymous bureaucrats, who, judging by their past record, will ignore the whole thing anyway.
I think a lot more would have voted for the proposal on Democracy had they believed it would make the slightest difference. I know from my own proposal on 9/11 that there was a feeling that the whole process was a sham, otherwise I am sure a lot more would have voted for it. The Esperanto proposal was about Democracy too. The talk about equality of languages in the EU is another smokescreen. The hidden agenda is English and the New World Order.
I think the democratically selected (by whom?) panels need to see all these proposals as different aspects of the same problem: the EU is not living up to the democratic ideals which it professes to stand for.
yorkneyrebel
Speaking as someone who was actually chosen at random to attend,I am sure I would not have been chosen had the E U known how loud and anti E U I am,I can only say that I personally found out a great deal of the problem's that I had are in fact all the fault of the big House a bit further up the Thames.
I did not get thrown in the Tower as my wife thought would happen,and we were able to put through a top Idea to go to Brussels,that in short say's stop buying energy from Russia.
So before Decrying what happened only a couple of Day's ago let's give it a chance as we all know things do not happen Overnight.
Let us be clear that things like Esperanto,Animal Rights and the like were discussed but in the greater scheme of things had to take a Backseat.
I am sorry to Kayleigh and any one else about the punctuation but I am still only an out of work , broken legged Truck Driving Man.
It was agreat opportunity for me to let off steam and if Rob reads this he still has not said how he Intends to return our Wembley Goalposts.
Hope to go to Brussel's ,that would be a Result.
cheers Mike